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How will our regard for machines change as we make them mais advanced?

This is a bit of a crass way to consider it, but look at the instance of rape.

At some point in the future, we will create a machine with a completely functional AI. Essentially, it will think exactly like a human being. At first, that AI will be in a machine much like us, a robot such as those in I, Robot. However, as we mover progressivo, para a frente with our technology, those robots will become mais and mais human. They'll have synthetic skin, maybe organs, and, eventually, emotions.

At that point, what happens if one of these robots is raped? Will we view it as the use of a tool, or will it be regarded as rape? If we say it's a tool, it calls into pergunta our whole concept of humanity, and whether there's morality in producing these machines that can feel as effectively as a human being. If we say it's essentially a human, then we have to change our perception of any given tool, since the robot shares a great deal with other mechanical devices.

I'd like to hear everyone's perspective on this issue, as it's not a simple one, nor is it one we have to face just yet (thankfully).
 whiteflame55 posted over a year ago
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blackpanther666 said:
To answer the pergunta within the question, no it is not rape, because the being is not living, but it still pretty -er- yuck. My perspective on this no geral, global pergunta about how we will consider technology is very simple. I think that humans will view machines, and greater technology, as a way way to make life easier, but to an even mais extremity than we do today. I also think that humans will begin to view machines as simply technology used to work, as well as some things for fun... But, this will probably lead to humans becoming mais lazy as a result.
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But doesn't that answer really call into pergunta what makes a human being? What you're really saying here is that a being that has all of the traits of a human being, excepting the entirely organic part, is not human, nor even animal. It's a soulless, lifeless being. Is being organic really such a strong standard for humanity, or for life in general?
whiteflame55 posted over a year ago
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Yes, that is what I believe... I believe in the flesh and blood largely composing a creature. Not only that, but DNA. DNA is what makes something into a 'being', something that robots lack.
blackpanther666 posted over a year ago
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Absolutely, hence the pergunta =)
whiteflame55 posted over a year ago
alismouha said:
I think a sentient, emotional robot should be treated the same as a human. Doesn't really matter what he/she's made of.
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But given THAT answer, how should we regard other machines? Should we treat them as lesser beings, or treat them as we've always treated them, and if it's the latter, wouldn't that constitute a rights violation, since we've already acknowledged that some machines are "alive"?
whiteflame55 posted over a year ago
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Like I said, it doesn't matter what the machine is made of. It matters whether it can feel and think.
alismouha posted over a year ago
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Alright, though that does create a litany of other issues. We'd have to change legislation in a big way, extending rights to both animais and machines, since many an animal feels emotions and is self aware. The major difficulty then becomes: what other rights should be ascribed to them? What we would term as "basic human rights" might not be enough, and this sets precedent for mais rights to be ascribed. What rights should and should not be given to them? Also, how would we determine self-awareness and capacity for emotion? In both cases, there's some debate, but if we're talking about a machine, as BP said, they only have these things synthetically.
whiteflame55 posted over a year ago
bri-marie said:
That's a good question. After all, majority of people don't believe that animais can be raped, and they meet every requirement for being alive (more so than a robot). There's this odd idea that only humans can be raped.

If something made out of blood, flesh, and bone can't be raped, just because it's not human, could something made out of metal be raped, even if it's humanoid shaped?

I honestly doubt majority of people would believe so. Unfortunately.
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It's a difficult issue, however. The big problem is that once we start ascribing rights to machines, we have to change our whole concept of what rights are and what they should go to. We've always perceived rights as a human thing because we're the only ones who can fully understand them, but if we view crime as something that goes beyond humanity (as it does), then we have to extend rights beyond humanity as well.
whiteflame55 posted over a year ago
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Not true in every case, though Whiteflame. animais get certain rights too and should get more, because they feel pain and such, just like we do.
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Still, we've got the issue of, in this case, treating them as segundo class citizens. Whether we know their true feelings or not, we can understand some of what is harmful to an animal. Should we extend rights to them that ensure no harm in any way, and if so, do we risk placing too many rights in the hands/paws/claws of animais that, let's face it, will never really understand those rights?
whiteflame55 posted over a year ago
Chaann94 said:
Well that's something that their creator(lol that's funny to say XD) should think of. (btw yes I'd consider it as rape)

Since robots can't give birth or get pregnant, why should their insides be the same way as humans?
I think that female robots should have this mechanism that whenever there is penetration without her consent, the penis is chopped off.

Humans should have that too, unfortunately we're not robots.
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linkAnti-rape condom: it will not chop of the penis, but will hurt and has to be removed por a doctor.
Sappp posted over a year ago
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I have heard of that one before. Those should be mais widely available.
whiteflame55 posted over a year ago
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@Sappp lol that's genius but how are they expecting others to put that on before the guy starts raping?
Chaann94 posted over a year ago
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Because you wear it before anything happens, You don't have to put it in last moment - it's already there (ofcourse there are problems with this, especially about the violence a rapist would display when this happens to him, this thing might just be really dangerous for rape-victims)
Sappp posted over a year ago
coriann said:
good pergunta whiteflame55, but, your forgetting that these robots could have things implanted into them, mais lightly than not they will be "programmed" to do something for our benefit, maybe they can be programmed to be somebody's wife...girlfriend/boyfriend etc. so rape may not be necessary ^ ^
i suppose if any injustice is done against the machines people will quickly rise up against it, as with racial discrimination, sexism, gay/lesbian rights or speciesism even. People to me seem to have a sense of empathy which has been growing over the years in my opinion ^ ^ i think the robots will be fine...also, most of the robots will belong to somebody or some sort of organization, so someone misusing it will undoubtedly be against the law! the only thing i think should be our greatest worry is robot slavery as with the arawaks and the caribs, africans and indians and such, but come on people, i think we've learned enough from over the years, and i think somewhere in our human nature there is something built into us that is bound to respond to emotions or show empathy to something that seems so alive, even if we weren't sure it was
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hmm...*looks over what i just wrote, or maybe not, maybe the owners of the robot will take turns raping it or what not, maybe they will have a tough time too as with the other cases, and maybe robot killing will be controversial just like abortion is :P
coriann posted over a year ago
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Well, what these robots are programmed to do is a separate issue entirely. Rape will still occur, as will murder. As for the empathy point, when it comes to humanity's response to various human rights issues, I think the slow rate of response could be a big problem, but mais importantly, what would that response be? Would we give robots certain rights, and if so, which ones?
whiteflame55 posted over a year ago
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