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Hi, this should be an interesting one for you guys so, do you think that animais are sentient beings?

sentient means that they
1are aware of themselves
2they have souls
3they aren't just machines, that just respond to their environment
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so i know what your thinking...she' asking another pergunta again...im bored nd i have no life -_-
coriann posted over a year ago
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yes Dragonclaws! yes that's it! ^ ^
coriann posted over a year ago
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my father always used t say that :)
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bri-marie said:
The best test for self-awareness is the mirror test. It's been proven that certain animais (dolphins, apes, elephants, some cavalos and pigeons, among others), have passed the test. And anyone who's ever been around any living thing ever knows that animais (and plants) respond to what's going on around them. So...

Yes. I think (most) animais are sentient beings. (I say most because coral are animals, and I'm pretty sure are neither self-aware nor really conscious.) I also believe that all animais have souls.
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lol, my dog used to attack the mirror, but he's dead now :P
coriann posted over a year ago
DarkCEpitome said:
Yes, I wholeheartedly believe in all of those.



...Well, factually for some of them for the first question.
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i want to believe in that, my dog Toby died three years ago, it was so sudded he ate a frog and suddenly died slowly and painfully because all the vets are closed on public holidays (Independence day) my dad keeps saying he's just a dog with no soul and he won't go anywhere, but i really want to believe my Toby went either to heaven or moved on to an awesome other life :D
coriann posted over a year ago
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link
coriann posted over a year ago
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lol! ^ ^
coriann posted over a year ago
livetobefree said:
I swear my dog is smarter than me O_o
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lolwut? ^ ^
coriann posted over a year ago
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yea....hard to explain lol
livetobefree posted over a year ago
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lmfao! :))
coriann posted over a year ago
Chaann94 said:
Well today I've seen on discovery channel or nation geographic that there was a pack of buffalo's who were mourning over a dead buffalo.

So I guess they are :)
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*shrugs* could they be possibly...programmed to do that? :P
coriann posted over a year ago
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lmao
coriann posted over a year ago
Roxas1314 said:
Yep. They definitely are mais 'human' than people think.

Some animais seem to even be mais humane than humans. I have never once seen an animal torture another animal because it has different spots.
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oh, you mean humane Roxas? that "could" be true, but might i remind you that their are many animais who kill other animals, and some of those andimals are even of a cannibalistic ature eg. (fish) who devour their own young :P
coriann posted over a year ago
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infact peixe devouring their own young is a perfect reason to think they r machines, since they do what is necessary to sustain life, even if it is easting their young (which restores the balance)
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whiteflame55 said:
Sure.

To start, I think this pergunta is incredibly anthropocentric. For all three aspects, we always look for activities among these beings that are similar to our own. We often cannot even understand how many creatures can be self-aware because we only know how we portray self-awareness. It's the same with environmental interaction, where we view direct responsiveness to what's around them as the only fonte of response. The soul is, perhaps, the most important problem here. This isn't something tangible, and mais importantly, it's not something we can measure or understand. When we don't understand something in ourselves, why are we using it as a standard for other animals?

That being said, I think all three could easily apply to most animais and several can even apply to other living organisms. Most animais show a distinct self-awareness. There are a great deal of animais that show some sort of empathy or communalism, which, I would argue, is the only standard we have to go por for what a soul is. Every animal interacts with their environment (and, por the way, so do many machines). Even bacteria interact with their environment, showing taxis (or movement) towards a chemical or light source.

Even if none of these were true, however, I can't help but be concerned por the idea that sentience is only portrayed in the human sense. I'll give you an example. Some plants, like vines, climb walls. They do this because they somehow detect the presence of the wall. These plants don't have nervous systems (at least, not the type we understand) and no brains to process information if they did. Yet somehow, they know the climb the mural instead of trying to grow into it. When we don't understand how something so basic can happen, how can we understand how an animal (a mais complex organism) shows awareness, or presents a soul?
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uhm, first of all...white flame...16 ano old (me) lol, can you explain what anthropocentric is, thankyou, and this peice of information gave me alot to reflect about, i started this perguntas about animals, but if machines show the same kind of sentience than some animals, does that some how prove than machines alive? or, does it help even mais to prove that some animais if not all are not sentient, ivce heard about plants before, and how they can make signals to each other subtly, ie. grama can notice that it's being shaved down and send signals to grow faster than before, but...machines send signals, i agree with you that we have no standard of understanding sentience in our own selves, so why try to define it in animals? siple, animal testing is one reason that this all started, people used to test animais very...harshly, but it was the only way for sience to develp the way it is today, and even from the biggining of time, people were wondering if animais went to the dust or if they went to heaven with us
coriann posted over a year ago
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Anthropacentricism refers to humans viewing themselves as the most important organisms on the planet, essentially because we carry traits we view as most favorable and that those same traits only belong to us. You're right in the two points you made, first on machines (I'll be posting a pergunta shortly with regards to their sentience), but also with animal testing. We've grown to recognize that some types of testing are too harsh, but let's face it, all types of testing are done without their say-so, and we do so to protect ourselves from what we create. Is that wrong? Not all the time, but it certainly presents an issue, one we don't like to address.
whiteflame55 posted over a year ago
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true Marc, everything you just said was true it my opinion
coriann posted over a year ago
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(in)
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