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Why is wearing pele, peles wrong?

The vast majority of people think that wearing pele, peles is wrong- I don't understand it. My mother has a lovely pele, peles casaco she got in Greece, but she can't wear it out for all the stares she gets. Unless you're vegetarian, how do you have a right to say it's morally unacceptable? Most people wear leather all the time. What's the difference? Please explain.
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I did a little research on this topic. Here are some points I found that supports your side ,TheprincesTale. 1)It is perfectly sensible and intelligent to wear fur,all you are doing is utilizing the whole animal.When an animal is killed, it has to be skinned anyways, if the pele, peles is not used, this is simply mais waste. 2)There are certain Cultural who wear fur. So, are the people on the opposite side of the page trying to tell these other societies’ to change their way of life:Their way of survival. 3)You eating meat is killing the animal too. Wearing it is totally fine! 4)There are 65,000 people currently employed in the pele, peles industry in Canada.$800 million dollars are contributed to the economy every ano por an industry that pre-dates colonization. Most (not all)furs are created without inducing pain or suffering in the animal. In Denmark a wooden box is towed behind a tractor, the pele de marta, vison are placed inside and the exhaust literally puts them to sleep in under 90 seconds. 5)We raise and kill animais and peixe for food. We drill for oil. We mine for coal and stones to make jewelry. So raising animais for clothing isn't any different 6)if a pele, peles is something old... Such as a pelt inherited from a greatgrandmother, there should be no problem in someone wearing it 7)Hundreds of humans, including children die in poverty stricken area of Africa, working inside diamond mines and during land disputes for the mines, where hundreds in a week can be murdered and NO ONE is up in arms over this. We still celebrate marriage engagements with the diamond ring. 8)If you are killing the animal purely for the use of pele, peles then maybe the action of killing the animal is unethical along with wearing the fur, however the act of merely wearing pele, peles is not. Well, that's the best I got to support you ,TheprincesTale.
prophet69 posted over a year ago
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dan_kreeger posted over a year ago
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8) But, that's the trouble... On an often basis, the animal is not one that people want to eat, so it does get wasted. Obviously, in some countries, they aren't like that, but other countries certainly are and, even if countries do kill the animal and utilise the pele, peles and meat, we are still in a society where everything will eventually come to an end.
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bri-marie said:
It's wrong because of the principle behind it. Most of the time, the animais are killed just for their fur. The rest of the animal gets discarded, despite the fact that those parts that are discarded are used in other areas. For example, one cow will be killed for it's hide, and the meat will be tossed away. Then, a different cow will be killed, and the hide will be tossed away.

Then there's the fact that, like many industries involving animals, the animais are rarely killed humanely.

Most people don't wear real leather all the time, and majority of the people who complain about pele, peles don't wear real leather.
Real leather isn't as common as most people think. Faux leather is cheaper to make, easier to make, and quicker to make. Due to the ethical dilemmas in using real animal hide, the efficiency of using faux leather, and consumer demand (faux leather is cheaper than real leather, with almost all the same benefits as real leather), most producers prefer it.

But, as I said, it's a moot point, because the people complaining about wearing animal pele, peles aren't wearing real leather.
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^^ This is what I meant to say, but said better.
Cinders posted over a year ago
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But what I don't get is that's it's the same as eating meat. animais get killed just for their meat. The industries doing this can be inhumane. yet people have no problem with it. I really think though, that a lot of the people that are against wearing pele, peles wear leather. How about school shoes? Everyone wears them- they're made of leather.
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Also: liking eating meat and thinking the meat industry handles meat in a morale way isn't the same thing. That's like saying people enjoy murder when they read murder mysteries. There's a big difference between one and the other.
bri-marie posted over a year ago
Shepard14 said:
There is nothing wrong with wearing pele, peles :)

I do think that if an animal is going to be killed for it's fur, then the rest of it should be used at well.
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BeastBoyCahill said:
I agree! There's no difference between wearing pele, peles and wearing leather. People are just stupid.
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Haha nice to see someone who agrees :D
ThePrincesTale posted over a year ago
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I agree! I wear real fur!
livetobefree posted over a year ago
Cinders said:
Most people are opposed to pele, peles farms and pele, peles factories where animais are basically raised only for their skins and their carcases are discarded. These places generally are not known for their kind treatment to animals.

I've always been of the Native American philosophy about using all parts of an animal, or as many parts as possible. But this was in a time when animais were wild and hunted. I can understand people's dislike of the pele, peles industry has come from.
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I can understand so too, but I don't think it's a logical dislike. Our meat comes from farms where animais are only raised to be eaten. Some, like chicken farms, can be cruel. There's no difference, really .
ThePrincesTale posted over a year ago
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^^ Most who are against pele, peles are also against factory farming in that way as well. If they do eat meat, they'll only eat what they know is free range, or hunt it themselves.
Cinders posted over a year ago
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But on pesquisas here, a great majority are against wearing fur- I don't think the statistic is the same for being against factory farming. not that many people only eat free range.
ThePrincesTale posted over a year ago
lady_why said:
I'm most likely one of the biggest animal apaixonados you could find. I do not believe in the inhuman practices of most meat-industry farms and fur-farms.
I do, however, hunt. I amor to hunt. It's nessisary in my neck of the woods for humans to actively participate in the natural ecological system because we've gotten rid of most of the natural predators in the area for our own protection. I eat only meat that I've hunted and have a leather jaqueta I made myself out of deer-hide. I'm also working on a pele, peles casaco made por myself as well. I fully expect to catch flak when I wear it and I will defend my right to do so with the fact that I know exactly how these animais lived and died; free and fairly killed.
My opinion is that anyone with the ability and resolve to hunt and trap themselves has the right to wear real fur.
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Chaann94 said:
I agree with you that wearing leather is the same (my fav jaqueta is leather). But I think I know why people are against pele, peles but not leather.

When you see pele, peles you can actually still see a bit of the animal while leather is all processed and stuff so you can't really see it used to be an animal.

It's still the same but people are stupid like that XD
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So you're saying it's sorta...sentimental? I can see where you're coming from, and I guess that unless you live in some cold country like Russia, you're not exposed to people wearing pele, peles coats all that much. But we are exposed to eating meat... we gnaw happily on a cow bone and suck on some pig blood all the time xD
ThePrincesTale posted over a year ago
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lol thanks for ruining my appetite XD And yeah I think so, I mean when you see a bife in front of you you can't really see a cow in it. But when you see a pele, peles casaco you can tell it's from an animal. So yeah, it's 100% sentimental I think :)
Chaann94 posted over a year ago
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Haha you're very welcome xD Luckily I've already had my dinner. Mhhhhmmm, spare ribs.
ThePrincesTale posted over a year ago
TheBait said:
Because animais are killed just because of it.
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Okay, but then it's also wrong to kill and animal for it's meat.
ThePrincesTale posted over a year ago
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I amor my rabit pele, peles casaco :)
livetobefree posted over a year ago
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well, they are not only killed!!!
HayaDodokh posted over a year ago
livetobefree said:
I have owned a real pele, peles casaco since I was 12 and I see nothing wrong with it! oi God made animais so we could eat and wear them so why not?! If the animal's gonna die why waste their snuggly fur? I rather wear the pele, peles than dispose of a perfectly good dead animal hahahahahahahahahahaha! I amor pele, peles coats!
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"Hey God made animais so we could eat and wear them so why not" And once again, other than God I see no physical evidence whatsoever of a Superior Being stating we are above animals. Arrggh. -_-
DarkCEpitome posted over a year ago
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And it would be pointless to kill over 100 minks or 300 rabbits or foxes, or other animais of other frightening numbers just to wear a kinky goddmaned pele, peles coat. -___-
DarkCEpitome posted over a year ago
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^This comment. that's my answer to this.
Roxas1314 posted over a year ago
2Dfan said:
Simple: anyone who does not object to pele, peles coats should not object if someone decides to turn them into a pele, peles coat.

That is all it comes down to: if you wouldn't want something done to you, don't do it to others. I don't know what is so difficult to understand about this!
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HayaDodokh said:
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grissygibbs said:
Well, I think there's a wrong to it. Most furs you buy, the animal was treated terribly. Ever watched a pele, peles farm video? Would you want to wear the furs of an animal that died a horrible death for them?

Now, I would amor some rabbit pele, peles gloves for the winter. But, I would hunt the rabbits myself. The difference? Respect. I'm not going to bash the poor creatures head in, rip his skin off of him, and let him sit there and die. No. I would bless him, and thank him for his life. I would also use his whole body, not just cast him aside to rot in a pile.
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A good answer. XD
blackpanther666 posted over a year ago
blackpanther666 said:
Wearing fur, I believe, is wrong. Just like killing elephants for their ivory (which was outlawed quite some time ago). However, the difference between wearing pele, peles and eating meat is, quite simply, necessity. Having a pele, peles casaco is a luxury and usually they are taken from endangered species, like the tiger, or the snow leopard, both of which are endangered species. Meat is a large part of our diets and it is much mais needed than an extravagant coat! Besides, the meat industry is terrible and I don't advocate eating meat of animais that aren't free range. But, I believe that it is okay to eat meat, because it is a process of biology/ecology - animais are either producers, or consumers and either predators or prey, if they are consumers. Therefore, as biology dictates, it is no mais wrong for us to farm animais for meat (providing we do it without treating the animais horribly), than it is for a lion to capture, kill and eat an antelope. Wearing pele, peles is very different, because it is unneccessary and mostly taken from endangered species that many zoos and ecologists are trying to protect. Killing an animal for its pele, peles is being no mais than a poacher.
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dan_kreeger said:
Im a guy and i wear a full length golden island raposa pele, peles coat. I amor my coat, I understand many animais died for my casaco to made, but due to laws it is illegal to create or resell a casaco that was made from a endagered species. in fact most animais are concidered pests...so i seen nothing wrong with it
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Is it necessary for you to own the coat, though? Anyway, humans consider animais as pests, but it is crap... Every animal has an importance to their ecological niche... That just sounds like a typical democrat argument trying to justify killing animais for no good reason at all.
blackpanther666 posted over a year ago
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the foxes that were killed to make my casaco were from finland. ive done extensive research on animal population in the area and there is a over-population issue. so in my oppinion its no different then going deer hunting. Now let get one thing clear. Im por no means a pretty boy or anything of the sort. I do however work extemely hard and like nice things. I paid 800 for my coat. so im not out alot. but i have a crappy coat, and i have a nice coat. Now you need to look at the other side of the spectrum. do you know how much of a carbon footprint is made making a conventional coat? pele, peles is all natural, does the job better, and has a way less carbon footprint. I own mine because i live in northern ohio were the winters are cold...
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^ You make it sound as though I advocate farming animais in horrible ways... I only eat meat if it is free-farmed. But, in saying that, I could easily give up eating meat. I'm not exactly the biggest fã of the pele, peles industry, but don't get me started on the meat industry. I'll start with one thing, pele, peles coats are, how should I put it, much less necessary than eating the meat of an animal. People eat meat, because it has become a necessary part of our diet... I don't like that necessity at all, but I can't make it stop happening, so I have no choice but to only speculate and wonder why people bother with rubbish like Mcdonalds... Secondly, what do they do with the rest of the animal after they take the pele, peles off? You can't eat foxes, nor many of the animais that they use for fur... So, basically, you're killing an animal for it's fur, not it's meat. In case you hadn't noticed, that's not something that happens in the natural world... Other animais don't kill one and then steal it;s pele, peles and leave the meat to rot. The pele, peles industry clearly breaks the biological rule - You can disagree if you like, but, let's face it, what right do humans have to treat animais as simply a means for some fur? It's bad enough that we farm animais for meat, but at least that is fairly unreasonable necessity - pele, peles coats are not at all.
blackpanther666 posted over a year ago
love4animals said:
animais used for pele, peles are sufferring immensely, they are factory farmed in tiny wired cages and are often are seen spinning around their cages frantically.
The main point is if you could spare suffering in this world why not do so. The pele, peles casaco is useless in comparison.
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animais used for pele, peles are sufferring immensely, they are factory farmed in tiny wired cages and are often are seen spinning around their cages frantically. The main point is if you could spare suffering in this world why not do so. The pele, peles casaco is useless in comparison.
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NerdyBraceFace said:
Well, I see from both perspectives. A lot of people think its wrong to shed an animal for their skin just to make fancy clothes, in other words they don't like the fact that animais are being kilt for people to make clothes. Honestly I don't see why its such a big deal because when people lived in tribes, animal skin was their only option for making clothes, but now that its modern dia animal fur/skin is a bad thing. I know it might have been a little confusing but I agree that wearing animal pele, peles is not a bad thing. So tell your mother don't feel bad wearing her fur!
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fur-getit said:
Ok, here is some reasons why it is wrong. It doesn't matter when the animais were murdered, it still sparks a desire for pele, peles in some people. Leather(which I do not wear) comes from cows, pigs, and gatos and dogs! At least the animal's meat and organs(gelatin) were used. But pele, peles is killing an animal for vanity. Dogs, cats, mink, foxes, rabbits, beavers, and countless other animais are killed( even kangaroos!). These animais suffer very much. When you wear pele, peles you are a symbol of cruelty.
And its not very eco friendly, as it takes 15 times mais energy than eco faux leather and fur. pele, peles is only for vanity, we have much warmer materials available now. Let's learn from history and ditch fur!
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booshway said:
I can't speak for other facilities around the world, but there seems to be a great deal of misconception about the pele, peles industry here in the U.S.

Carcasses of farm-raised furbearers are not just discarded and not used. Many are used as feed for other animals, their glands have multiple uses, and other byproducts are also utilised. Ever waterproof your boots with pele de marta, vison oil?

Faux pele, peles and pleather are made from petroleum distillates. Not exactly a renewable, sustainable resource there. And it is true that several animais must give their lives for a pele, peles coat. But with proper care, a pele, peles vestuário will last decades after faux pele, peles and pleather have fallen apart and are clogging up a landfill.

And not all pele, peles is farmed. Many animais are trapped or hunted. Not just for their fur, but to control their populations. Populations that if unchecked lead to conflicts. I have personally witnessed acres of soybeans flooded por beaver, and ovelha, ovelhas and cattle killed por coyotes. And forget free-range stock if you fail to control the predators. It only makes sense to get some use from an animal that is eating/destroying your resources.

I understand that many people are morally opposed to wearing pele, peles or other consumptive uses of animals. That is fine, I respect their right to live as they see fit. I personally choose to use ( not abuse ) the resources around me and live as I see fit. I recognize that I am still a member of the natural cycle and will continue to participate in that cycle.

por the way, raposa can be eaten. And so can honeybees. But different animais are utilised different ways.
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