Expelled - No Intelligence Allowed 

the guy that made this movie is very very stupid

Actually Ben Stein is very respectable. I'm watching this film right now, and so far I agree with this skeptic guy. You should be allowed to publish whatever you want. The reason scientists tend to be so against Intelligent Design is that it most of its proponants don't approach it from a scientific perspective. It's like trying to pass off the story of Billy Goat's Gruff as fact just by claiming scientific approaches. Still, I do feel that people should talk about whatever they want. More comments to come as I continue to

My point is, these people should be allowed to research this and write papers on Intelligent Design if they want, and they shouldn't get fired or "disciplined" for it. But I've read articles on Intelligence Design and haven't seen very scientific approaches to it. It's a hypothesis just like anything else, but the supports for it are philosophical and spiritual more than concrete and empirical.

Still, it seems to me, that the point of this video isn't to advocate Intelligent Design, it's just to emphasize that people should be allowed to express their opinions about it without being afraid of reprisal for their views. And I agree with this.

Scientists ARE supposed to have open minds.

Oh, here we're at the "Intelligent Design people are not scientists." More on this later. :)

HA! Seattle!

Aha, here we go-- "Intelligent Design"-- the idea that things are so perfect and so fantastic that it had to be planned. OK, but again, this is philosophy more than science.

Still, I agree with the overall point of this video-- to challenge things, and to allow people to freely choose to believe or disbelieve what they want.

EDIT: Also, I like Richard Dawkins, but evolution is not fact.

(I'm gonna stop posting comments for now)

Heehee, my dad proposed to my mom at the top of the Seattle Space Needle. And I got to visit it a few years ago. It was fun.

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he´s stupid

"Also, I like Richard Dawkins, but evolution is not fact."


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I know is not a fact even though this guys says it is in the last part

so are we debating here or on the link lol because i just wrote a huge comment over there should i put it over here instead

anyways to rephrase (possibly repeat) some of the point i made on that post to rebuttle you cinders

cinders if someone hires you to do a job they expect you to do that job, if people don't think you are doing that job properly of course they have a right to fire you. It's like working for a newspaper and starting to write article on stuff with out any quotes, same as writing scientific papers with out any evidence

yes scientists are suppose to have open minds but their also suppose to have evidence. You said yourself this is more about philosophy so maybe they have become philosophy journalist and then they wouldn't have got fired instead of trying to pass off their believes as fact, sorry that's a bit harsh but well...kinda true

richard dawkins i'm sure is amazing i even bought his book but anything i have ever tried to read of his or watch of his i just fall asleep lol he has a way of starting off with obvious points that i have heard many times and stretching them out and i never get past five minutes to find out if he actually has any good points lol

So what this comes down to then, is the right of companies to hire and fire who they want. If that company can't discriminate against people for race, gender, or sexual orientation, why can they for religion or political beliefs?

I'm an evolutionist, I am, but it is a theory. A solid theory, with evidence, but a theory nevertheless, like gravity is a theory and the big bang is a theory. It's a theory I believe, because I've studied it and understand the supports. But that doesn't make it fact. Richard Dawkins is a smart guy, but he is a little extreme sometimes, that's all I was saying about that whole thing.

it's not about their religious/political believes they can be a orthodox christian who believes the earth is only a few thousands years old and was built in seven days but i believe the company has a right to fire them if they publish this opinion under their companies/school's name with no evidence

the difference is evolution has evidence, gravity has evidence, the big band has evidence maybe you wouldn't call any of them fact (i won't go in to the measuring proof thing again because this isn't what this is about) but they do have evidence... intelligent design doesn't there fore as you said yourself that's philosophy

so are we debating over here then?