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disney princesas Best Develoment Countdown FINAL: Pick the one that has changed the MOST. COMMENTS CONSIDERED!
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4. Pocahontas
5. Rapunzel
6. Belle
7. Ariel
8. Jasmine
9. Cinderella
10. Snow White
11. Aurora
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I think Merida HAD development, a big one, but Mulan has SLIGHTLY a bigger and better one. She made it from Zero to Hero, and to WHOLE China! No doubt she wins this countdown for me.
Brave failed as a movie to convince me that Merida actually had a lasting commitment to being a nice person.
Merida caused/created more problems for everyone. Mulan actually sacrificed herself for her father, her army mates, and her country.
There is no competition here at all. Mulan saved many lives.
I think that Merida changed more than Mulan personality wise. Mulan still has the same values, traditions, wants and still acts on them. It's just now she has the means and the muscle to be called a hero for it. Merida on the other hand was more care-free, wild, and wouldn't pay attention during her lessons, but by the end she makes less excuses for herself, she adapts "grace and poise" and other more calm diplomatic actions. She has a really long scene of how sorry and remorseful she is when she thinks her mother won't turn back to being human that I think marks how much she's changed. I also think it's worth noting that when Elanor does change back and Merida says "You've changed!" and Elanor realizes that Merida has grown too, and says "Oh, darling, we both have." It's one of the main themes in the movie that Merida has developed into a different person than what she was in the begining. Mulan was more coming into herself rather than growing as a person. Both have changed in a way, but Merida more so character wise in my opinion, though it seems I'm in the minority.
After that, what other proof in the movie is there? Merida watches her mother complete a new tapestry. Merida is not doing it herself. Maybe Merida tolerates/ likes her mother's tapestry, but she is not crafting one herself!
Merida is still disgusted by princes kissing her hand -- as evidenced by her grimace at the end of the movie on the pier.
And then the last thing the audience sees is Merida riding horses with her mother--outdoors. It is Elinor who is now doing activities Merida "likes."
I don't see the "we've both changed" moment occurring in Merida. I see it really happening in Elinor. It was Elinor who changed her mind about the marriage tradition. Merida definitely didn't change her mind about the marriage in any significant way-- Merida just "resigned herself to the marriage" when in the hall with the lords of the clans. Merida wasn't happy, but was grudgingly accepting, at last, her role in what had happened. Elinor preempted her "total evolution."
And, yes--- SAVING LIVES matters more, and saving lives should matter more, than showing out in public, throwing a curse on someone-- and then belatedly undoing "said curse." Cursing another person and then undoing the curse, is not a sign of an overall personality change. It is a sign that the person made a whopping error, was chagrined when it backfired on them, and then undid it. From my perspective, Merida saved face. But nothing more than that.
Elinor's changes don't undermine Merida's. And it's a damn good thing that Elinor changed, considering that she was willing to sell her daughter off as though she was a piece of property.
As for the question, Mulan has a complete character overhaul.
I still do not seem to at all support most of your views on Ariel. It's fine that you dump on my favorites, but calling me "obtuse" over Merida is really below the belt.
Also saving lives is in incidental benefit - not direct proof for who changes the most.
You could argue that, but it has nothing to do with what anybody in this thread is talking about. :)
Being brave and saving lives is great, duh, but in itself it doesn't tell us anything about how much this person has grown or what they were like before - you're not inherently more/better developed than someone else just because you saved more lives and you command more respect.
Development is all about the uphill climb you mentioned. And I feel that some characters, like Mulan, had a shorter trip getting to the top.
Contrast this, with Mulan actually stopping a bunch of lazy habits she had; Mulan learning a bunch of new skills and how to work "as a team" with others ( where formerly Mulan had been a loner heretofore); and Mulan then jettisoning her own personal quest for "self-worth," "honor for her family," and "glory." I think there is more personal growth going on with all of those changes--- than Merida simply undoing a spell she enacted, because Merida was too proud to compromise, appreciate tradition bonds, and be sacrificial towards her own kingdom. Merida finally had to accept what she had done, but that is not the same thing as character change. "Acceptance" of having done wrong is only the first step. Where is the follow through? Where does Merida live out her new "mindset?" All I see is her riding horses in the forest ( this time with her mom), just as she was doing before this whole movie transpired. Elinor seemed to change enough to ride horses with Merida. But as for Merida? Merida is back to being herself, wild and free.
And about Merida, I agree with what MissCinico and Aang_Lite_ said.
Also, the tapestry and the end of the movie was done by both Merida and Elinor, Merida wasn't just watching it. I haven't seen the movie in a long time so I don't really remember that scene, but pretty sure it was that way. Even all the novelizations and Merida's story on Disney Princess website says it was done by both of them. Also, Merida wears a dress that is much more fancy at the end of the movie. She still doesn't like princes kissing her hand, but she let them do it, because she knows it's her duty. These scenes basically show her whole evolution and I don't know how could anyone use them as evidence she didn't change... The end of the movie is beautiful for me. It shows development for both Merida (1. accepting the marriage, kiss on her hand - things she doesn't like, but she does because she accepts her role now, and 2. tapestry, dress, etc. - things she didn't liked but now she can enjoy it because of Elinor) and for Elinor (riding horses with Merida, something Merida does like and Elinor wouldn't do before).
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