disney princesas Most Feminist DP Movie Countdown! dia 4: Pick the LEAST Feminist! (Elimination based on comments)

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a bela adormecida
   41%
enrolados
   31%
Princess and the Frog
   10%
A Bela e a Fera
   7%
mulan
   7%
a pequena sereia
   3%
Pocahontas
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Jessikaroo picked enrolados:
10. Cinderella
9. Aladdin
8. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
7. ?

Please try to remove your bias and give concrete reasons why you view said movie as least feminist!

Ehh, I might change my answer before the end of this round, but I just watched Tangled a couple hours ago so it's fresh in my mind. i do find Tangled extremely problematic on many levels, and despite being the most recent DP movie it has as many problems as the classics. First of all, the complete lack of female representation. No, just because Rapunzel's a good character doesn't give this movie a free pass. (which we will probably end up discussing when it's Mulan's turn to go). in total there are only 3 female characters with memorable screen time. One is the heroine, one is the stereotypically vanity obsessed villain, and the last one has no lines.. At all. Gothel as a villain is a whole new set of problems as well. Of course we never find out why she's so obsessed with living forever, and there isn't much wrong with that except how people interpret that. Nearly every person I discuss Gothel with thinks Gothel is obsessed with youth simply because she is a woman. It's views like this that are poisonous to people. This could've been solved with a little back story on Gothel's part, like maybe she was afraid of death because she saw someone die. And of course, Rapunzel is a problem too. Her weapon is a frying pan, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just every other female character who uses a frying pan weapon (see Princess Peach in Super Smash Bros) is ridiculed. There's more too it, and I'm happy to here counter arguments to my reasons. But these are my thoughts.
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DsnyPrincess picked a bela adormecida:
It's a classic Damsel in Distress movie! I love the movie, but 1) The Heroin doesn't really do much and 2) The Prince does the saving!
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princesslullaby picked Princess and the Frog:
Gothel being obsessed with looking beautiful is problematic for women, but be careful to label a frying pan a 'typical woman's weapon', because that's gender stereotyping. However, Flynn is the only one to use the frying pan in actual combat, Rapunzel only uses it to knock Flynn out. The other issue here is that it's not onoly two females against each other, but two females against each other because of beauty and looks.
As a character, Rapunzel might be more feminist-friendly than Aurora, but a movie as a whole? Not particularly.

There are gender roles galore in Sleeping Beauty, but the fairies play too prominent a role for me to vote them out, plus the plethora of female representation. Also, there is no conflict of beauty between Maleficent and Aurora, and it's more about Maleficent exacting revenge on her parents. However, I fail to see the fairies as the heroines of the film, or as the protagonists. The movie centers around Aurora, it's about Aurora (and to quote someone else)and -- the fairies are not protagonists because their actions have no “self” in them- their entire point in the movie is to assist Aurora. Everything they do leads back to her. Most people do not watch the movie for the fairies or find themselves identifying most strongly with the fairies and that’s usually a sign- if not an absolute qualification- for the protagonists. Everything centers around Aurora.

On the other hand, the message of Tangled is decidedly more feminist than Sleeping Beauty's. I don't know.
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Swanpride picked Princess and the Frog:
Tangled shows so much gender equality (Rapunzel is as much there for Flynn as the other way around), it is riddiculous to vote the movie out allready. Plus, Rapunzel is the only princess of whom is implied that she eventually becomes Queen of her country, with Flynn at her side, but SHE is the regent not him (it's even possible that her mother was the regent...it's not really made clear if the king or the queen or both are the ones making the decisions, unlike in all the other disney movies, there it is always the king or the prince).
Sleeping Beauty has a mostly female cast, the females make all the important decisions in the movie, as I already pointed out in my article I see it as the most feminist movie of all time. And while Aurora does nothing exceptionally heroic, there is nothing wrong with her character.
I stick to my list for now and go with PotF - because while I see Tiana in itself as a very feminist character, the movie does her no favours at all. After all the years working hard for her dream, she only get what she wants because she finally has a man at her side...and what a man. It goes beyond me why a woman like Tiana should fall for an unresponsible guy like Naveen.
Though I might change my mind later on...the placement of TPatP is one I wasn't sure about when I wrote the article. Perhaps I should give the movie more credit for trying....but the ending...urgh.....
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maryksand said:
The fact that Tangled is most likely being eliminated this soon is one of the reasons why I separate general feminism ideology from the actual respect/advocating for gender equality because the latter is EXACTLY what Tangled is about. Gothel is evil and abusive not because she wants to be young and beautiful forever - and as a result alive forever which is in fact even more significant than beauty and youth - but because of the WAY she chose to go about it. She kidnaps a baby and keeps said baby isolated in a towr while systematically and methodically abusing and verbally pressuring the girl for the sake of making sure that she never leaves and remains entirely dependent on her. But Rapunzel does NOT remain dependent. She analyzes the situation, makes her own observations despite the lies and brainwashing that her life was filled with thanks to Gothel, breaks free at the very first chance - and this chance is only available due to Rapunzel's quick thinking and analytical skills hence her blackmailing Flynn by hiding something he delusionally gave away that he needs so much - and in the end effectively becoming a Kindom ruler.

After all the years working hard for her dream, she only get what she wants because she finally has a man at her side...and what a man. It goes beyond me why a woman like Tiana should fall for an unresponsible guy like Naveen. - lol I agree completely.

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princesslullaby picked Princess and the Frog:
I'm changing my vote right now, but again I don't know. I realized that in PATF the movie works against Tiana so much in terms of feminism.
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BelleAnastasia picked enrolados:
Same reasons as before.
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rhythmicmagic picked a pequena sereia:
This one was difficult though, I'm not really sure.
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