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debate #1: Why do people oppose romance between family members?

I have always been baffled por this subject. Most people think it is disgusting for relatives to encontro, data because they automatically assume they wish to have intercourse, but is it a problem if everyone in the relationship is asexual? Then, they would solely focus on the innocent aspect. In my honest opinion, I don't think there's anything wrong with siblings or cousins dating as long as they don't breed because that can cause blood defects in the offspring. Unless it's pedophilia, which is always flat gross. The same people who defend the LGBTQ+ community with the lema "Love is love" do not hold family to the same standard. I don't understand. Feel free to disagree; as long as you accept my opinion, I'll gladly accept yours.
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PS. Yas debate
Riku114 posted faz 1 mês
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This is the first time I've ever had a legitimate discussion with multiple people on a highly controversial topic and it didn't spark vitriol. I miss the good old days where two could be like oil and water with politics and still peacefully coexist.
Lusamine posted faz 1 mês
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Dude, someone actually agrees with me!
ArcticWolf posted faz 1 mês
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That's what I thought too! This entire fórum makes me so happy!
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Zeppie said:
It's mais a standpoint on morals, even if they don't have sex.
Moral degradation would be the key point. Even if we cant pinpoint exactly why, the strong often innate feeling of disgust most have with the concept of incest is based on morals. A strong feeling of what is right and wrong.

Religiously it can be seen as sinful. I am not religious but I'm sure people would align with that notion of it being perversion.

In some areas it would be illegal.

Opening the relationship to romantic with family can lead to trauma and mental health complications. Romance is not a fundamental quality of family so with it added can harm typical family roles and relationships.

Even if consensual I don't agree with it. A line needs to be drawn and I think it needs to be drawn at incest. There are so many people in the world, to choose to romantically engage with family simply isn't normal. I wouldn't shun a person for choosing that, but it doesn't make it right nor should it be seen as normal.
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You bring great points! I appreciate your willingness to provide feedback in a firm but kind way. I understand your platform on the basis of human psychology, and I completely agree that standard filial roles can be entirely altered, for better or worse. As long as you respect others' right to decide their partner(s) for themselves and those involved acknowledge these legal and social repercussions of their choices, we're good!
Lusamine posted faz 1 mês
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Appreciate your understanding.
Zeppie posted faz 1 mês
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Of course, of course. I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page. Thank you for your response! You're very well-spoken.
Lusamine posted faz 1 mês
Riku114 said:
Well a lot of other reasons has been stated above, but often when it comes to family abuse and trauma are much mais frequent as it is harder to get out of an abusive relationship when that same said person is in your family. To break up with an abusive partner would be something that could easily become a huge family issue and cause tensions and possibly result in one part or the other, sometimes both, having to be at risk of getting disowned or shamed, or upset, and so on por family is family were to take sides or what not

Even if the relationship is not abusive, if the relationship were to fall apart the unique dynamic of being family would cause a lot of chaos not only within the relationship and the individuals but the family involved. Kind of imagine a really close friend group or a team where dynamics are similar to family. Say two people starting dating there, and then they were to dividido, dividir up, not only would their friendship possibly be at jeopardy but the entire friend group. Now take that logic and apply it to something that is so important to many people such as family and it posses a massive risk.

Additionally, just in a psychological stand point, there is usually an unfair and predisposed sense of dominance and authority that is just found in natural family dynamics - especially in siblings. This causes often for some poor dynamics and sense of respect and authority that doesn't really transfer well into relationships

I could go mais into all these points but like thats generally the jest of it

Additionally it is most simply a cultural norm that you shouldn't, but what I listed above is some of the reasons that I don't support it either.
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You bring awesome points, too. Thank you for your time and thoughts! I can't rebut any of that. This also ties into abortion in a sense if you think about it. Most pro-choice individuals utilize the rationale that exceptions should be made for fetal anomalies, rape, and incest. A lack of competence with use of condoms and birth control can have its effects amplified in an incestuous relationship (if it were to traverse that route) due to the divisiveness in our current state of politics regarding the issue itself. That sense of dominance and territoriality can cause unintentional relationship abuse too.
Lusamine posted faz 1 mês
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I would cite some sources but this was something I looked into a few years while researching like... Incest and abuse within it XD
Riku114 posted faz 1 mês
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This is all so thought-provoking. I'd have never thought about it that way. Don't worry, your thorough and intricate explanations are mais than sufficient on this!
Lusamine posted faz 1 mês
BlindBandit92 said:
I have a similar opinion to be honest. I generally don't care unless the family members breed. Also according to some sources the birth defects might not be as high as perceived tbh.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-inbreeding-really-isnt-as-bad-as-you-think-it-is-5863666

This artigo gives several sources on the findings.

Incest just simply have a stigma and it's a stigma that likely will never go away. While I personally wouldn't do it myself. I am not going to automatically judge another for doing it. It's whatever. So long as no one is getting hurt directly or indirectly.
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Thank you for your thorough response! It is too hard to find someone who can give a coherent, respectful opinion with sources and all. I feel a little better knowing someone else agrees with me on this one. While inbreeding can obliterate the fate of a lineage, it requires a repeated pattern of behavior that simply isn't possible given the human condition and how we are geared to think of amor as a whole.
Lusamine posted faz 1 mês
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Honestly if breeding is that low according to gizmodo's sources. I care less about that now. There's always a chance for issues to arise regardless.
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Canada24 said:
It feels wrong. But I can't explain why.. Well, sex does at least
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We have to have legitimate facts and evidence to prove our points. It doesn't matter if something feels right or wrong. It's about semantics, not intuition. Your opinion is completely valid, but we need a reason.
Lusamine posted faz 1 mês
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Relationships are founded from amor and trust as well. Not all familial relationships are pleasant either. People get abused and disowned por family just as they do with romantic partners.
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I know..
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J_E_T said:
In my religion it's actually prohibited
As it says in holy Quran.

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I see, so you take a mais religious approach on the topic. Interesting. Thank you for your feedback! islamismo has actually always interested me, so I'm glad to have cool friends willing to teach me about it.
Lusamine posted faz 1 mês
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Well,aren't you a sweet double chocolate bolinho, queque :)
J_E_T posted faz 1 mês
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Aww, that's a unique word choice XD Thank you.
Lusamine posted faz 1 mês
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You're welcome :)
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zanhar1 said:
90% sure that if intercourse was involved the kids will come out unhealthy/with genetic defects. But honestly I think that it is almost strictly biological (especially upon further research). link Even animais are reported to mover away from incest, which further supports that it is a biological instinct for most people. Interestingly enough, apparently plants do too lol.

So even if you take sex out of it, there is something very primitive about disliking incest. Sort of like how lots of people are afraid of spiders; it can be physically harmful so biologically the brain tries to avoid it.

That said, on a personal level, I don't really care. I would not part-take in incest. I don't condone it (unless its a plot point for a fictional story or something) but honestly it's none of my business what people do so long as everyone consents.
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Thank you for your answer! You bring great points, and I can certainly say the sex isn't an option; it does seem like an impulse for humans to immediately attach a potential consequence to an otherwise fine action. The aranha was a good example. It is very interesting how biologically natural it is for all organisms to neglect the concept of inbreeding; in the end, the most controversial part is the romantic aspect of a filial relationship, thus the creation of this thread.
Lusamine posted faz 1 mês
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I actually learned in a psych class that people are also naturally repulsed por the scent of their relatives in comparison to that of strangers' scents.
zanhar1 posted faz 1 mês
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That's interesting. We have a very productive pool of aleatório club users, it seems.
Lusamine posted faz 1 mês
kingcesar67 said:
I honestly don’t see anything wrong with it either other than people telling you it’s bad.
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I'm really glad to see such diversity in answers! I thought I was literally the only one on Earth until you and Blindy popped up. XD Thank you for your thoughts!
Lusamine posted faz 1 mês
ArcticWolf said:
Thank you for opening up with this topic. I agree with you as well and it frustrates me that people have such a black and white view on this as if it's on the same level as murder or pedophilia.

Personally, I believe that there should be some basic "don't" morals everyone should have regardless of culture, such as rape, theft, and, as I just stated, murder and pedophilia. I think most other things are up in the air as a morally gray area depending on culture and the individual person. Even though I personally would never be part of an incestuous relationship because of my own morals, I actually don't care about incest as long as it's not predatory (ex. parent/child), especially when it comes to cases where siblings/cousins weren't aware they were siblings/cousins until after they got together. In those cases I feel like making them break up if they didn't wish to would be unfair.

I understand why this is controversial because making it a taboo subject (both romantic and sexual) is beneficial to a healthier society (a romantic relationship without sex could still have mental health repercussions for other family members), whether it be for scientific or religious reasons. Although imo first cousins being together isn't that bad even if they reproduce.
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I completely agree with this. I knew a guy who dated his biological sister (they were both adopted into separate families) not knowing they were related, and his parents forced them to dividido, dividir up solely because they turned out to be family. Considering they never had a familial connection to start with because they were separated at a young age and didn't remember each other, I don't see why they can't give it a go.
Lusamine posted faz 1 mês
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That story reminds me of my grandmother. She almost started dating her half-brother in high school (she was born out of wedlock and didn't know her father), but when the parents intervened and explained that they were siblings she backed off.
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ShadowFan100 said:
A lot of it has to do with

Culture
Religion
And that's just how some people may be, they just naturally have a disgust towards it.

It's kinda like how many people (including myself) disapprove of cannibalism. I can't see this being healthy, and so, it's generally seen in a negative light. Plus, I do believe there are certain lines that should be drawn, and I draw that line at Incest. I personally won't shame those who have these feelings or take part in them, be it romantic or sexual. I won't look down on them for it, because we all have something about us that makes us a bit weird. Just look at me, I use to have romantic feelings for a person that didn't even technically exist. And for some people, that's immoral. And as a result, I'd no doubt get the same treatment as those who practice incest.

But as long as both consent and no one is in any danger, I personally don't care.
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Thank you for your insight! These are good points. It's good to see people out there who can respect opinions that differ from their own. I personally think cannibalism is exactly the same as eating a cow or pig, since all organisms are of equal value, but that it should be done legally, just as with anything else. However, I entirely understand that not everyone will agree with that.
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