harry potter contra crepúsculo Article: Research? Do you do it?

posted by RonGetYourWand

Here is a list of flaws found in Twilight:

1. Quileute Tribe - She added imprinting, which isn't even in their history, as a way to manipulate the relationships and have automatic 'true love' . If I was Quileute I would feel insulted.

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2. Basic Biology - It is stated in New Moon that an ancestor of the Quileute tribe transferred his soul to a real lobo when his earthly body had been destroyed. In Breaking Dawn, Edward reveals that the Quileute tribe are not real werewolves, but shape-shifters. How can it be that this transformation is genetic for the descendants of the tribe?

3. Armed forces of Confederate States of America - "The soldiers of the Confederate armed forces consisted mainly of white males aged between sixteen and twenty-eight." So Jasper should not have had to lie about his age.

4. She hasn't created Embry's father, which is a basic thing you should know.

5. It is illegal to ride a motorcycle without a license. In Washington state, one must undergo a special course to get that license, which Bella did not. It's a small town, someone would've reported them.

6. Twilight says Brazil is on the West Coast, whereas in reality, it's on the East Coast.

7. Forks is actually not the rainiest town in America.

8.In New Moon, right before Bella and Alice enter Volterra, Alice hands a guard "a thousand dollar bill". There are no thousand dollar bills circulating to the general public in American currency or in Euros. The ones that do exist are only used in large corporations. A thousand Italian lira would roughly be 75 cents in American currency and therefore nothing to impress the guard with to let them pass.

9. Why do they sparkle? I mean, if she used it as a way of saying the evolved from burning to sparkling than I would understand, but...what?

cassie-1-2-3 1. i don't think she was trying to make her Quileute identical to real life Quileute. I thought that was obvious, since they don't shift into wolves. 2. No. the spirit warrior gene is not an inherited gene. Not all the Quileute were spirit warriors. They didn't start shifting until Taha Aki brought a wolf's soul into a human body. The legend goes that there were a few immortal spirit warriors. Their spirits would leave their bodies and explore. Once Taha Aki's body was killed, he went into a wolf's body. He left the wolf's body when he found a new human body he could take over, but he took the wolf's spirit with him, so he became part wolf/part human, inside of a human's body. The sons of Taha Aki inherited the wolf power. 3. He did have to lie. The law was technically 18, but they began accepting much younger boys who just said they were 18 without any proof of age out of desparity. http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/learning_history/children_civilwar/child_soldiers.cfm "In 1861, President Lincoln announced that boys under eighteen could enlist only with their parents’ consent. The next year, he prohibited any enlistment of those under eighteen. But heavy casualties led recruiting officers to look the other way when underaged boys tried to enlist" Jasper joined in 1860/1861, when he was 16 years old. Three years before he changed at age 19 in 1863. It is very possible that Jasper lied about his age because of the law, and the recruiting officers didn't ask for much proof because they were desperate. 4. No, it's not. It wasn't at all important to the story. Why do we need to know? Embry doesn't even know. his father is either Billy Black, Quil Ateara IV, or Joshua Uley, this was specified in the books. 5. They were riding on the Quileute reserve. 7. It was never even said that Seattle is the rainiest town in the U.S.. The Cullens don't live there because it rains a lot. Forks/Seattle is the most OVERCAST city in the continental U.S. http://www.currentresults.com/Weather-Extremes/US/cloudiest-cities.php They need clouds that block out the sun, not rain. 8. Alice did not give the guard 1000 lire. She gave him 1000 USD, which is more that 0.75 USD. 1000 USD = 1,575,099 lire. It does not need to circulate in the general public for Alice to get a hold of one. Normal citizens are allowed to own them, and a bank will willingly convert one for you. 9. What does this have to do with research? Anyways, This sparkling was compared to that of a diamond. Now assuming that vampire skin and diamonds have more in common other than how they look, it makes a lot of sense. Diamond is the most dense mineral on earth, vampires are very dense Diamonds only sparkle in the light due to refraction (the bending of light as it passes through a specific medium) The light bounces off the multiple sides of the diamond which gives off the apperance of a sparkle. I always figured the vampire skin of compised on multiple diamond like cells, also refracting light, which causes the sparkle. I think it's wise for people to actually research before criticizing someone else's research. This happens far too often around here.

RonGetYourWand 1. She changes their legends to fit her stories, traditions and stories that are dear to them, she shouldn't change a people to fit her story she should fit the story to the people. 4. Authors are supposed to know their characters, all of them not just the main ones, she didn't even care enough to add more information on something that could have been Intresting. 7. Bella calls it the rainiest town. 8. But it says a thousand dollar bill which doesn't circulate in either, making it even worse! 9. I'm saying she never gives a reason to why they sparkle, they just do. Again it could have been Intresting if she explained. She went against every myth every created about vampires without any reason or explanation. Also, she doesn't use basic geography lknowledge while writing.

RonGetYourWand There's also the blood thing in their Biology class which is illegal with out permission slips that they don't have. La Push also has a rescue squad for cliff divers which doesn't exist it Twilight. And the Cullen's would not be allowed to skip school that much.

cassie-1-2-3 1. Opinion. Ours apparently conflict. 4. It was interesting as is stands. Sometimes, in real life, people never find these things out. Again, opinion. 7. I don't remember this. A quote would be nice, if you can find one. 8. How? People can still get a hold of uncirculated currency. You can buy them from collectors. You can buy them over ebay. You can buy them on craigslist. They are avalible to the public, they're just not circulated. They are collectors items. The $1,000 bill was retired from circulation in 1969. All of the Cullens (Besides Bella and Renesmee) were born before 1969, it's it's very VERY possible that they got a hold of multiple $1000 bills BEFORE they were taken out of circulation. We don't know that Bella didn't take home a permission slip. At my school, most permission slips that had anything to do with scheduled lessons were sent home on the first day of school, so it was guaranteed that they'd all be returned in time and not mess up the scheduled curriculum. While it's true that Stephenie Meyer did not walk us through every single bit of paperwork Charlie signed, does she really need to? Do we, as readers, even care? I think you're taking this a little too far now. This is not a history book, or a biography. It's a fiction. In turn: All train stations have security cameras. These cameras would record a bunch of children running through the wall every year. Does this mean that JK Rowling is no good at research? In the real world, if there were multiple accounts of seeing a flying car, a lot more than a few news stories would be done. In the real world, if a bunch of random owls showed up on someone lawn, animal control would be called, and it would be in the news. The air and water would be tested. The owls would be captured and tested as well. When they flew away, they'd be followed. They'd inspect the Dursley's house to try and figure out what is attracting all the owls. Is JKR horrible at researching also?

RonGetYourWand Still I would have liked a little explanation when it comes to real life scenarios. Rowlings world is fantasy and has it own world. I would be fine with all this if it was fantasy with the Twilight books but it's not it's supposed to be the real world, and the real world has history that should fit with the plot. In summary, all these issues would have been solved if it was fantasy and had it's own set of rules that Meyer could control.

cassie-1-2-3 None of the Harry Potter examples I gave took place in the wizarding world, they took place in the real world, with real world rules, just like all of Twilight.

RonGetYourWand Yes, and I would like explainations in Harry Potter too, but currently I'm talking about Twilight. twilight would have fit better outside our own world, where there were no myths about vampires or werewolves that contradict hers. I'm just saying that she never explains some basic things about the vampires and werewolves that are different with common ones, and not just the sparkling thing. For example: She never addresses why people used to think vampires turned into bats, a simple sentence saying that they are attracted to vampires could have explained that. Or werewolves and the full moon; she could have said something about them all meeting together on that night.

cassie-1-2-3 There are far too many vampire legends out there (all which clash with each other), for her to explain every single one. JKR never explained why real world legends tend to state that a wizard's magic is stored in his hat. (The reason I bring up Harry Potter is because I don't understand why Stephenie Meyer is the only writer that is held up to these standards. All other writers can get away with it, but not Stephenie Meyer. That is flawed logic.)

cassie-1-2-3 But to answer your question, it was stated that Marcus (I'm pretty sure it was him), created a bunch of rumors and legends and spread them around to throw off the humans.

RonGetYourWand I'm not trying to bash or anything, but I think the reason is because people compare her works to things like Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and other works that aren't even the same genre just to compare them. (I've said before that it's partially due to how the media views book-movie transitions as becoming one genre instead of different in almost everyway. They have statements in magazines like 'Move over,_____!' when they can't even compare in any way, shape, or form. But when the media says something like that people tend to get over zealous.) I'm not saying every single one, but why couldn't she have Edward explain some of the more famous ones from movies? Also I think part of the reason she is held up to that standered is partly linked with some not so flattering statments made by some obsessive fans. Also, about the whole leakage thing and her refusing to continue Midnight Sun when authors she is normally compared to were leaked and kept writing. Also there's the 'failure' of Breaking Dawn, in many eyes (including mine, but that's another topic for another day), because of the hype that lead to a talk and the whole Jacob imprintng on Bella's daughter thing. It was kinda the last book, I think, that caused all the anti movement against Meyer. I personally think it's okay (not my favorite but I've read worse), but I hate when people comapre it to Shakespare. It's not tragic or forbidden at all, they all (main characters, without any real regrets or opposite reaction to all that happens) live happily ever after. It's like a Disney movie with vampires and a half breed baby, at least in my mind.