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Why is Harry Potter mais successful than Twilight?

 LottieVal99 posted over a year ago
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JaseKS said:
Because it appeals to all tastes.

Romance: There is some slight romantic appeal that applies to most characters.

Horror: It has a horror edge to it.

Fantasy: Wizards. Nuff' said.


Where as Twilight contains mostly romance. It also isn't that well written. Stephanie Myers uses large words that no one else does in a casual conversation just to hide the fact that she has an underdeveloped style of writing.


Also, the problem with Twilight is, many of the characters are underdeveloped. I mean, people like Jasper or Victoria could be awesome characters, but Stephanie is too busy focousing on one character. Edward. And even he is underdeveloped.

I also thing that because all the guys are fawning over Bella, it doesn't seem relatable. At least the characters in Harry Potter have flaws, making them mais realistic. It also has a solid back story, and isn't as scattered. I feel like the events in twilight are a jumbled mess.
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I see the logic in this. A book that appales to a wide variety of audiences is bound to have mais success. But Twilight is on the horror edge too.
zanhar1 posted over a year ago
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I suppose, it depends on how you look at it, I guess.
JaseKS posted over a year ago
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'Tis true it all depends on how much gore one can handle.
zanhar1 posted over a year ago
alisonfaith297 said:
there are 5 main reasons:
#1 the HP films have gained much better critic reception than the twilight films, seriously, based on metacritic (which is a well recognized sites where is gives an no geral, global score of film considering all possible critic scores)
HP average scores: 74%
Twilight: 51%

SCores por Rotten Tomatoes (another site which gather up scores but calculates in a different way)
HP average: 85%
twilight average:39%

#2 HP books are way better in literary terms, JKR has won quite a few prestigious book awards while steph meyer has only gain some titles from places such as entertainment weekly for author of the year, (take note, when her book gain mais popularity, JKR published majority of the HP novels already). to back up my story more, this is a quote from Stephen king (who in case you dont know, is an extremely well noted author in the literary world): "the real difference is that Jo Rowling is a terrific writer, and Stephenie Meyer can't write worth a darn. She's not very good.people are attracted por the stories, por the pace and in the case of Stephenie Meyer, it's very clear that she's composição literária to a whole generation of girls and opening up kind of a seguro joining of amor and sex in those books. It's exciting and it's thrilling and it's not particularly threatening because it's not overtly sexual. A lot of the physical side of it is conveyed in things like, the vampire will touch her forearm or run a hand over skin, and she just flushes all hot and cold. And for girls, that’s a shorthand for all the feelings that they’re not ready to deal with yet."

#3 That quote por stephen king leds to my third point, speaking as a female of this generation ( not to be feminist or anything), i find that the entire story of twilight to be very demeaning, it makes it sound like all girls can do is not help to fall in amor with a guy and if the guy were to leave her, her whole world will fall apart.

#4 to be honest, i dont see much plot in the movies, it mais of people screaming over the fact that taylor lautner has nice abs, and robert patterson is sparkly??? In HP, there is an actually story you can follow while twilight plot just seems to be predictable.

#5 lets just be honest here, most of us here would rather watch a good battle between good and evil ( Harry Vs Voldy) while watch a girl named bella, fall for some guy and well the rest is history.
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 there are 5 main reasons: #1 the HP films have gained much better critic reception than the twilight films, seriously, based on metacritic (which is a well recognized sites where is gives an no geral, global score of film considering all possible critic scores) HP average scores: 74% Twilight: 51% SCores por Rotten Tomatoes (another site which gather up scores but calculates in a different way) HP average: 85% twilight average:39% #2 HP books are way better in literary terms, JKR has won quite a few prestigious book awards while steph meyer has only gain some titles from places such as entertainment weekly for author of the year, (take note, when her book gain mais popularity, JKR published majority of the HP novels already). to back up my story more, this is a quote from Stephen king (who in case you dont know, is an extremely well noted author in the literary world): "the real difference is that Jo Rowling is a terrific writer, and Stephenie Meyer can't write worth a darn. She's not very good.people are attracted por the stories, por the pace and in the case of Stephenie Meyer, it's very clear that she's composição literária to a whole generation of girls and opening up kind of a seguro joining of amor and sex in those books. It's exciting and it's thrilling and it's not particularly threatening because it's not overtly sexual. A lot of the physical side of it is conveyed in things like, the vampire will touch her forearm or run a hand over skin, and she just flushes all hot and cold. And for girls, that’s a shorthand for all the feelings that they’re not ready to deal with yet." #3 That quote por stephen king leds to my third point, speaking as a female of this generation ( not to be feminist or anything), i find that the entire story of twilight to be very demeaning, it makes it sound like all girls can do is not help to fall in amor with a guy and if the guy were to leave her, her whole world will fall apart. #4 to be honest, i dont see much plot in the movies, it mais of people screaming over the fact that taylor lautner has nice abs, and robert patterson is sparkly??? In HP, there is an actually story you can follow while twilight plot just seems to be predictable. #5 lets just be honest here, most of us here would rather watch a good battle between good and evil ( Harry Vs Voldy) while watch a girl named bella, fall for some guy and well the rest is history.
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everything you said is true and i amor the picture
noobio7143 posted over a year ago
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^When did she say that King was a jerk solely because he doesn't support Twilight?
VampiresRevenge posted over a year ago
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No, I didn't mention Twilight.
cassie-1-2-3 posted over a year ago
cassie-1-2-3 said:
Financially?
mais people have bought the Harry Potter books and movies.
That is all.

I think they're both pretty much equal when it comes to any other form of success.
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thats not true, the only way in success that twilight is mais successful. and that would be twilight saga site has mais fãs than HP site on FANPOP.
alisonfaith297 posted over a year ago
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ok.. hold on.. just stop right there.. HP BOOKS ARE WAY BETTER.. you can argue about the movie an i agree it tends to go back and forth but when it comes to book.. NO FEAKIN WAY! the hp books are way better, granted some peopel just bought the books for the sake of leitura but HP books in the literary world is very well received unlike twilight on the other hand...
alisonfaith297 posted over a year ago
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Says you, not me. Sorry. I o.ly bought them because I try to complete every series I start, no matter if I like it or not. I had no intention on leitura any of the books "quickly", so a biblioteca was out of the question.
cassie-1-2-3 posted over a year ago
bri-marie said:
Luck. When it comes to entertainment, that's all it really boils down to.
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luck is one part.. but being lucky can only get you so far...
alisonfaith297 posted over a year ago
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Luck is only a factor...
zanhar1 posted over a year ago
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Not really. There are books way better than HP (and Twilight) that are in the shadows. There are books that are worse than HP (and Twilight) that are extremely popular. J.K. (and Meyer) got lucky.
bri-marie posted over a year ago
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I agree, bri-marie.
VampiresRevenge posted over a year ago
noobio7143 said:
because harry potter is better. nuff said.
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Exactly!(like your ícone btw ^^)
vampiressJazz posted over a year ago
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thanksh
noobio7143 posted over a year ago
zanhar1 said:
- it's been around longer
- it's original unlike twilight, there are hundreds of vampire romances
- the fãs seem mais dedicated in my opinion
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There are hundreds of wizard adventures too
youknowit101 posted over a year ago
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^ yeah pretty much what dracofan said (I can't believe it! dracofan you make me change my opinion about you just from this one comment!) O_O
ClaireVoyant posted over a year ago
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^ Thanks? lmao
dracofan001 posted over a year ago
ThePrincesTale said:
Apart from having a better plot, and better characters, and things like that, there are mais mundane reasons- I will focus on these and try to be unbiased.

One of these is who they are both targetted for. Twilight (mostly) only appeals to teenage girls. Harry Potter, on the other hand, can be read por anyone in any age group, from a 6-year-old to a 90-year-old, and por any gender.

I think Harry Potter also stands out more. As a mais unique story, it does not blend into all the other vampire romances as Twilight does. Harry Potter, as I see it, is quite unique in its genre. Not only this, it is more than one genre, with a hint of romance, and mystery, and horror added to the fantasy- this just aids it in its intrigue. While Twilight, I think, is pure romance.

Harry Potter is also mais distinguished, with JK Rowling having earned mais awards and mais prestigious awards in literacy. This actually does help in people's choosing of a book.
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IKR!! i like buying book when i know or have some kind of shiny medal printed on the front.. lols.. call me cheesy but i like it!
alisonfaith297 posted over a year ago
dalilee said:
Nawl baby!! Twilight is way better than harry potter!!!! Ill admit that I amor harry potter but aint no way he got twilight beat.
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^mmmmhmm?
dracofan001 posted over a year ago
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yeah right :P
dracofan001 posted over a year ago
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I agree with zanhar1.
ArcticWolf posted over a year ago
vampiressJazz said:
I'll make this short and sweet. Harry Potter unlike Twilight actually had a plot, and well developed characters and ideas that actually make sense unlike vampiros that light up like a natal árvore when they go out into the sun!
Also Twilight is really Cliche.

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Agreed
zanhar1 posted over a year ago
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If that were the case, Twilight wouldn't be successful at all. You're trying to give reasons why Twilight isn't successful, and you'll be wrong no matter what you say because there's no denying that Twilight IS successful.
cassie-1-2-3 posted over a year ago
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I think that Harry Potter has a little mais success due to the composição literária and the controversy surrounding the books' intentional theme. Whereas Twilight didn't face as much, yet became successful on another level.
traceyhp posted over a year ago
noturcreeper said:
because harry isnt as much of a wuss as edward
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 because harry isnt as much of a wuss as edward
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THIS.
JaseKS posted over a year ago
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lmao true
noobio7143 posted over a year ago
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The sparkle part really ruin the horror and serious atmosphere the author try to create. It's like trying to make people scared but we ended up laughing. (at least in most of the case)
ClaireVoyant posted over a year ago
GoldnSnitch_96 said:
I havent read any of the Twilight books cause I don't want to be bashed por everyone at my school and the fact that I have heard too many bad things, but I watched one of the movies, and my analysis was: It went absolutely no where. There wasn't much action, and as far as romance went, I have been mais touched por episodes of the Simpsons. So I guess cant really bash Twilight too much cause I dont know a great deal about it, but I guess at the end of the day, Harry Potter was mais appealing. It appealed to me,and I amor it. I find it dramatic, intense, and simply, well, EPIC. The plot is so rich and it progresses smoothly, and also I think Twilight appeals mais to those who ...well, saying less sophisticated would be cruel, but then again, the majority of the fãs I have met only rave on about how hot the guys are. Like really. Thats it? Hot guys? Psh.

But thats probably the no geral, global reason, it mostly appeals to horny girls, to put it bluntly and Harry Potter appeals to EVERYONE. Like seriously, anyone can read it.
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*awaits an argument*
GoldnSnitch_96 posted over a year ago
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It's cool, but saying stuff like that makes you look immature and you don't want that image.
zanhar1 posted over a year ago
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@zanhar1, correct, and especially not on a place like this.
GoldnSnitch_96 posted over a year ago
dracofan001 said:
why i think it is: well people can relate better to the characters in harry potter. i mean most people will read stories/ watch filmes based on how relatable/likeable the characters are. i mean true some people will watch filmes like twilight and wish they had hot guys like edward and jacob fighting over them, but most people will like to see other people going through their difficult situations and problems. Anyway the point is that "It does not do to dwell on dreams, and forget to live." --Albus Dumbledore. See twilight is not relatable. harry potter is. people like filmes that are relatable.

my point:

people are most likely to read books that help them get through things. they like to know (like i said above) that other people went through their problems and got through them. no person has the problem of vampiros and lobisomens fighting over them.
and this DOES have to do with the question... it is why mais people read/like harry potter and it is mais succesful.
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Wow, none of that applies to me at all.
cassie-1-2-3 posted over a year ago
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@cassie-1-2-3 i really don't care
dracofan001 posted over a year ago
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That's fine.
cassie-1-2-3 posted over a year ago
Bubba38 said:
harry potter is mais successful than twilight mais multiple reasons. 1. rowling gave depth to many characters which included flaws and tht made them mais relatable, she didnt focus just on 1 or 2 people. 2. there was multiple angles to evry storyline...the pros and cons were included and it made ta reader really think wat was gonna happen. 3. it had mais than 1 subject: there was love, vengence,friendship,fights within friendship and ta feeling of having a family. 4. it realted to mais people...twilight is mostly for teenage girls where HP is loved my all ages male or female. basically no geral, global HP connects with people on multiple levels and just has a better storyline.
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missceleb86 said:
twilight has no plot all it is bout is the fact that sino an 18 yr old girl falls in amor with edward who is 108 yr old vamp and who has never fallen in amor in all his yrs which is pretty stupid and that bella is so helpless all she can do is screan "EDWARD!" when he is getting thrashed por the volturi and when he's away she wants to kill herself. i mean like seriously girl get a life. Hp on the other hand had love, adventure, good and bad cool dangerous dementors and death eaters and it had Lord Voldemort who is the most formidable wizard.
And on IMDb which is a well known critics site twilight breaking dawn part 1 had scored 4.8 out 10 and hp 7 part 2 has scored 8.5 out of 10 and Hp also beat batman dark knight which is like a very good film. So i think enough is said
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ClaireVoyant said:
wow, so many big answer.
I'll try to answer it from different pov: the fans/fandom

- some of you said that it's because HP has been around longer. it doesn't always happen that way though.
Most of popular movies/books, became popular thanks for the fan. (i.e. por the amount of fanfic, doujinshi, fanart, graphic ETC) I've seen people already create a lot of fanart and fanfic for a movie that's just out this ano (ex; thor, X-men first class) because they are just THAT good.

- if people loved one movie. you can be sure that the fandom will grow. and the amount of fanfic/art/doujinshi will sky rocketing. for this to happen, the fãs need a movie that not only they can enjoy while they watching it in cinema. but also have a hidden subplot/subtext that they can bring to the fandom as a plot/subplot.

-considering HP has mais mystery, and always have unexpected surprise every time the new books came. no wonder if the fãs have a field dia palying with the plot. oh, the possibility you can make in j.k.rowling books are almost limitless... and you wonder why people never tired of harry potter?

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well, you might not understand half the thing I said up there...
but my point is.
Base on the fandom (what I see)

HarryPotter=
-fanfiction; HP have about 500,000 in ff.net alone not to mention other site like LJ, HexFiles,RestrictedSection, dreamwidth, etc
-Doujinshi; GUH! the amount of doujinshi the japanesse fandom made for HP alone... I've seen hundreds of it in one site alone (sadly i have no paypal)
-fanart/graphic ; are you kidding me? just google Harry potter in DA alone, not to mention tumblr and other site.

Twilight=
-fanfiction; about 180.000 in ff.net, and the one in LJ I heard it was not that active.
-doujinshi ; the japannesse one, i have yet to see. i have only see one graphic novel of twilight but it's official, published in america (if i remember correctly)
-fanart : quite a lot in DA but you have to discount the hate-art...
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twilight story was quite predictable (the princip of vampire vs werewolf has been recycled too many times). it doesn't provide the audience a new set of world that the fãs can 'explore' like HP.
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wow, maybe a little too long... I'll editar later when the internet connection a little better...
ClaireVoyant posted over a year ago
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Agreed
zanhar1 posted over a year ago
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kk :D
dracofan001 posted over a year ago
HPfan236 said:
I think it is because Twilight seems to be aimed mais at teenage girls or sometimes even mothers while Harry Potter extends to Children, Grown Up's, Teenagers, etc..
In my eyes harry potter also has mais mais moral lesson's and sends a mais positive messages. beside's having the moral lessons HP is also full of action, adventure, suspense, and a little dash of Romance.
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brendaluvbunny said:
becuz harry potter is a timeless beautiful story about conquerin evil and twilight is about a girl who is playin 2 guys and finally piks 1 also 4 harry potter the filmes were made beautifully with good actors and lots of work put in 2 it while twilight has some good actors and some not so good actors and not a lot of work into it
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Skyraven said:
Harry Potter was mais successful than Twilight in many ways. First off, it had much mais excitement and action in it, and many of the good guys die along with the bad. In Twilight, it has a big happy 'all-of-us-survived-and-the-bad-people-are-dead' ending. People like action and thrills, they don't want to sit there and read about Edward's looks for fifty pages or about how miserable Bella is without him.

And speaking of Edward and Bella, the characters in Harry Potter were all realistic. They had their flaws, their strengths, none of them were absolutely perfect and loved por everyone. Take Hermione for example. She can be annoying, or a know-it-all, but without her, Harry and Ron would be doomed. On the contrary, Bella is perfect, beautiful, and loved por everyone. The minuto she steps into her school, all of the guys want to encontro, data her. She's absolutely depressing, flawless, and cannot live without Edward por her side. Unlike Hermione, who's brave, independent, and willing to fight, Bella needs her guy for everything and is pretty much useless as a human. She also thinks that Edward stalking her and watching her sleep is romantic, which is a terrible example for young girls. It might trick them into believing that they cannot live without a man, that stalking is okay. It is NEVER okay!

The Harry Potter plot, even though it involves wizards and magic, is very original in the events, while Twilight is just another vampire amor story. In HP, there's always danger, trials, and inner troubles the characters have to face. In Twilight, there's about five pages of action and then everything's solved. That's it.

These are HUGE reasons contributing to why Harry Potter is so much mais successful-it has a deep, thought-out storyline that every Harry Potter fã can lose themselves in, realistic characters that we amor and relate to, plenty of excitement and action that leaves us wondering what happens next. When our favorito characters die, we seem to never stop grieving for the loss even if it is fiction. Even when the Deathly Hallows ended and we set the book down, it seems to never really end.

That's why Harry Potter is mais successful-it has everything a real literature lover wants. Action, adventure, a good plot, developed characters, deaths on both sides, and real romance. People do not fall in amor por looking at each other. All of the romance in Harry Potter was spread over the years; the two started as friends, and it grew into something stronger, deeper. While Twilight may have 'hot' guys, romance and drama, all that, it only really appeals to teenage girls, while anyone can read and enjoy Harry Potter. Nobody likes an unoriginal plot, or weak characters, no action....that's why Harry Potter was always a step ahead of Twilight in success.
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All the "bad people" did not die in Twilight.
cassie-1-2-3 posted over a year ago
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i agree.. hermione is a much better role model. she choice her a path to fight good and evil instead of following ron.. BOOKS DO.. BOOKS BEING A PART OF MASS MEDIA DO! I DID AND ENTIRE denunciar ON THIS AND STILL AM.. IT DOES MAKE AN IMPRESSION!!
alisonfaith297 posted over a year ago
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It makes an impression, but it doesn't force people to do everything people read about.
cassie-1-2-3 posted over a year ago
keep_smiling said:
I think its the story matter! Harry Potter is about friendship, courage and sacrifice. Not some amor triangle.J K rowling is simply marvellous! Nuf said!
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:D
alisonfaith297 posted over a year ago
ArcticWolf said:
Harry Potter interests a greater range of people, so logically mais people read the books and watch the movies. That's pretty much it. As others have said, I also think Harry Potter has a better plot and characters, but I really don't think that has much to do with the popularity. I think it all just comes down to basic interests.
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lollypop94 said:
- hp is unisex
- there are mais hp books and filmes so mais sales
- hp been going longer so multi-generational
- hp is less controversial
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TsubasaPotter said:
Characters in Harry Potter have their stories. I don't see that in Twilight, except Jacob, Bella, Edward. Just them? Pretty boring actually, i think Meyer should watching Korean Drama for it, if she want to make a good romance story, hehe
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annabell9122 said:
duh a harry potter is better

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